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yeah there are delay compensation settings but they seem to do nothing when toggled except give the option to make channel sends “latency safe”.

But I’m tryna sidechain compress this chord sound to the kicks and as soon as I click the sidechain on, the chord gets AHEAD of the entire rest of the DAW, including the metronome track. It’s like the system its introducing latency to everything to keep it running smoothly but the channel thats getting sidechain compressed isnt included in the latency.

I can fudge it back to being in time by putting an all-wet 0 feedback delay insert on the chord bus but that takes a lot of high end off and makes it sound shittier. Suppose I can just print the SC compressed bus and nudge it back in time but thats annoying af to have to do and would mean I’d have to re-print it if I change anything about the kicks

appreciate the help tho

That definitely sounds like fucky delay compensation, no idea how to remediate that tho.

edit - do you have a sample/time delay plugin you could use?

edit2 - maybe try this

https://www.voxengo.com/product/sounddelay/

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yeah theres a shitty apple sampledelay already too I can use, but to my ears it definitely does something bad to the sound in a subtle way.

I ended up just printing the synth before the bus with the sidechain compressor and nudging the audio forward which helps but is annoying cus now the waveform doesnt actually represent where the sound is lol

the tunes sounding kinda shit to me now but its exporting and im gonna put it in dubs thread anyway, need to move on to the next

cant you just use a different compressor for the sidechain? or is it just sidechaining in logic that’s the problem?

It sounds illogical.

yeah it seems once the CPU gets sweating a bit, any type of sidechain routing on any plugin or instrument does this.

Found hella threads with ppl reporting various sidechain glitches to do with latency compensation in Logic too, cmon fix it Apple you ■■■■■

I have nothing useful to input, i just wanted to know what effect will this achieve…

pretty much the most common thing to use sidechain for init? Want the drums to bang a bit more so you duck down the lead/melodic sound when they hit

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Ah ok i thought people sidechained the volume not a compressor.
I never used it tbh I don’t like the sound when the melody ducks out on the drums. I don’t like that “pumping” thing yaknow…

you can set it up, so it’s really subtle, it can liven up pads and whatnot a bit :]

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Fwiw, Apple seems to be endeavoring to break all things audio recently. I have received emails from every single software vendor telling me not to upgrade to the latest OS. I’m on Windows anyway. At least Windows tries to make their OS upgrades backwards compatible. Apple does not and entirely re-wrote their code which is forcing all audio software companies to have to re-write their code.

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a compressor is just a volume reducer

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I’ve made phone calls to loads of my clients telling them not to upgrade too because our software is 32bit

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think weve had this discussion here before lol

yeah like syrup says it can be very subtle. You might for example only do it to the reverb and not the dry chord. Its so standard a mix tool that it doesnt rly make sense to dismiss entirely. I guarantee some of your favorite tracks do it. Just compressing things together basically has a similar “pumping” effect if u wanna get technical.

Compression makes things quieter, thats all it does rly - in practice its way better to use a compressor insert for this purpose than p much any type of “ducking” thing that tries to move the volume slider for you.

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We have. I got confused with the original post. I don’t think I read it properly.
:badteeth:

it’s nothing new for Apple, they’ve been doing this for years, one of the reasons I switched to windows like 15 years ago.

For the compressor sidechain issue, you can get ‘ducking’ VSTs which do a similar job to sidechain compression, which can be used on inserts (afaik) instead of sidechain, which might be a solution?

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He tryna get dat Daft Punk punmp mang

yo yo need some input lads

when I start making tunes I usually play a melody and then try to find a chord that fits under, all using some default piano sound

I then put the chord in a synth and fuck around with it until it sounds phat. Now usually this involves detuning the 2nd oscillator, often by 5 or 7 semitones.

OFC this technically makes the chord a whole other, more complex chord and so I often cant really use the original melody I made, and somehow anything I play just sounds cheese and major key as fuck

whats good practice here? Ive tried tuning the 2nd osc back to normal and just adding another chord 7 steps up or whatever, to see where the notes are, but no matter what I do it sounds off as soon as I add smth to the chord

this is the bit ive made now but it seems 2 happen every time lol

this is sounding kinda nice, technoey and “cold” to my ears but anything I try to play on top sounds like horrible swarmy “warm” shit and no longer “cold”

even if this is technically a major chord, shouldnt i be able to add stuff thats in tune and retain the same basic emotion? It seems impossible and im frequently stuck at this point

love the artwork man