RE: origins of Dungeon
You'd be hard pressed to find earlier roots examples than Distance - Nomad/3rd Wish ?
Agreed about Shackleton/Pev/Appleblim being less of an over influence. Musically they were a lot more hazy & pyschedelic than straight dark. Went for more of a chaotic rhythmic & structural haze than the straight mixdown power that Loefah/Distance channeled.
Ofc i'd argue the real roots of dungeon came from diff tempo - early Subtitles/Critical releases, Calyx & Teebee, early Noisia, Zero T, Perez even, there was a stripped back minimal & rolling 170 sound 2 around the time One Of Us came & set the benchmark
Corroborated by the fact that KM produced both tempos
Weird that perhaps we've seen a further yet more simultaneous mirroring of this now - where in d&b - jump up & mega hi spec neuro are the two poles atm
Now you have labels like Infernal/System/Foamplate et al producing a good deal of wobblers rather than rollers - although perhaps theres no equivalent to the Hypes/Hazards who seem to transcend lineups at 170 now
Best tune in the thread was posted early