Production Thoughts

best video on the net

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Lol that video was so foundational to everything I wanted to be at 17-18

Been discussed hundreds of times but just dig how the guy with all the swag chatting all the shit actually did fuck all on the tunes. Love it, everyone should wanna be him

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I’m violating 1 major production rule of mine which was to stay off dsf til the Holidays. So for every user who is dormant, lurking in the shadows of greatness. I feel you. Big fucking ups.

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When you can’t dispute a fact, rather than just say oops; you attack the messenger. simple.

“milliseconds actually matter a lot in modern music”. you all can type 15 more posts saying you don’t understand that. or do not appreciate it’s calm, factual happenstance physics. debate that all you like. i’m not the one who needs to go review the 101 course for how my daw works. :slight_smile:

Fucking love watching Cannon vids. Dude blows my mind every time

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i dont think he was disputing that it matters. i like getting technical with my production sometimes too but its not really necessary to make good music, sometimes it can be pretty counterproductive

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@cyclopian , @Phigure and me all agree with you that it IS important technical stuff. @sleeps is, in this context, a total noob and can be ignored (sorry dude lol). What cyclo is saying that it is mostly non-critical knowledge to be able to make good music. We’re not trying to shoot your arguments down dude, it just seems you have a very hard stance on what is “correct”.

If you mic up and record a jazz band in 2022, most of this super technical stuff does not even apply at all. It is entirely genre specific, and it’s not 100% a “numbers game”. There is not one “correct” solution for every application.

Phase problems? M8, life has phase problems

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Nah I don’t buy it. Mathcore bands manage to be insanely technical and yet they are humans and therefore your milliseconds are being thrown about all over the place. A few here and there in a DAW that literally has snap to grid functionality and all that jazz is probably more accurate than a human band.

I am a production noob still, no offence taken. I just don’t buy into this uber-technical mentality.
IMO. I fully expect to get flamed.
:person_shrugging:.

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I think you underestimate how tight and fast people are able to play. I’m not saying everything has to be “on grid” in milliseconds, but it’s absolutely necessary to have settings in this range on compressors and (dynamic) EQs when the music is so fast. Metal is insanely technically challenging to mix.

While I think this particular song is cheesy af, the mix is super clean.

Another example. How many notes per second in the main riff? Compressors go BRRR. I’ve seen them play this live btw, sounded basically the same as on the record.

If we’re talking electronic music (like breakcore), with things actually locked to a grid, you can go as technical as you want. This guy Broken Note is a friend of one of my DJ mates. His sound design is BEYOND.

Edit: removed second vid bcuz not official upload, so can’t guarantee that the quality is proper.

Here’s a BC link from same album.

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an example is how a lot of drummers have that metronome click thing in headphones during live shows

and also as was mentioned previously a conductor in a philharmonic orchestra

there you have the natural latency because the room / orchestra is so big and he has to account for the delay for it to be in sync - in the way he does it, it means that something that is actually out of sync or introduces milli seconds of latency is somehow balanced so its not perceived in the physical space/ by the audience

NSYNC

there’s also the loudness war where they stack frequencies and so on to get to louder mixes than previously - that detail level and technical side is why its possible

i mean its not really interesting its just physics and tricks of perception

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its kind of like blending
you cant see where the line goes
it fades

the same goes for these two separate time ‘lines’

i think the ears do this too all the time and have latency, but i’m not sure
might be that the brain process it into one signal

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Not tutorial, just explanation of tech stuff regarding the topic.

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oh yeah that guy
hes alright

One of the only ones I bother to watch nowadays. He’s doing that creative use thing we’ve discussed, and focus on explaining concepts rather than technical stuff. Always with the approach that you can use whatever DAW/plugs etc.

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Compressors are a crutch

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If this next statement makes sense to you then milliseconds don’t matter the most. Sync button is an alternative to cue button.

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I definitely don’t underestimate tight and fast playing, I pretty much only listen to extreme metal: death black, grind. I get what you mean now about ms being important. Appreciate you taking time to explain.

I still dont think it’s as important as vibes and sound design when it comes down to us, the little people, making silly dubstep tunes for each other :lol

Also Broken Note is fucking knob up is own arse who fucked me on a design job. So idgaf about anything he does.

My ambitions are a bit higher than that, hehe. But yeah. Vibes are everything.

I see. Sorry for that man.