Haha yeah you got some mad deep knowledge and skills to go waaay above most of us!
I wish I could retain info like that
Hard to interpret if actual praise or sarcasm lol. skepticalfry.jpg
But ye, not saying I know it all, but I’m aware of that the concepts exist, heh. How to compose, record and produce music is definitely my biggest interest in life.
No no don’t me wrong, it’s 100% praise. ZERO sarcasm. I am v jealous of ppl that understand and get music in a deep way, composing, playing, producing and all that.
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I want this in old english over my chest
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Consider creating a new thread called making thoughts since music making is a thing.
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This probably won’t play out the way I’m thinking, which is me using this exact idea to create dubstep, but it’s worth sharing
11& I wonder, if you know, what it means, what it means?11
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He could have at least created something original instead of just playing the MIDI from Green Hill Zone. Also, why not record the line signal out of the N64? Sounds like he just mic’d up the speakers of the CRT…
On DMT and sound design:
This is exactly what it “sounded like”/what I experienced. Super crisp and dry, time-stretched / morphing short delay times, granular. At one point I think I “heard” something that sounded like a large choir, but it was very passing.
I experienced it as beyond anything corporeal / temporal. Your body is not there, you can’t feel your breathing or heartbeat or anything. Just a floating point of view.
Maybe you can steer this to a degree, like actually listening to music while you’re “in”. Even if your ears still function, your “in-trip” cognition of auditory stimuli is so distorted and shuffled, I suspect this would make it even more intense / disorienting and possibly uncomfortable too. The opposite is also entirely possible.
I’m not gonna try it, hehe.
With all this said, I suspect there are a lot of artists (and entire genres) who have explored these concepts of sound design, presumably after psychedelic experiences, already. The whole “trippy” sound design of psychedelic trance / psy dub, New Age style ambient, Japanese minimal noise, etc can all be connected directly to my own experience with DMT, purely based on how it sounds.
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awesome
nice one
the last bit is psychological innit
just because your frame of reference is what you’ve experienced
what you know will seep in and inform even this extreme ‘other/new sense of experiencing’
would you even call it psychadelic doing dmt tho?
acid and shrooms and peyote and so on - ‘build’ on the brain and perception/senses - aswell as introducing chemical reactions (or something) to the brain
whereas dmt is even more about brain chemistry
or is that too simplified
seems dmt fx doesn’t really use your senses - but maybe go inbetween you and your sense apparatus
maybe im making all that up - just what ive garthered from really experimental folks lol
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I’ve tried my best to make it clear that I’m talking from a personal experience point of view, yes.
You mean my thoughts about music inspired by psychedelics? Well, I guess the stuff I mentioned is what I can relate to the most, sound-wise, regarding the experience. I am not at all surprised that these aesthetics in sound design is prevalent in the psychedelic trance scene, for example.
It makes total sense.
Though, I want to specify that I was not particularly invested in this scene before, but now, post-experience, I feel like I have a new understanding of it, and the kind of “vibe” this music creates. My interest in exploring it has increased.
Additionally, my appreciation of a LOT of other sounds (I’ll confine it to sounds here, since it is the production thread, even though the experience encompasses alterations in perception of all senses), especially nature ambience, like the rustling of leaves in the wind, or bird songs, or flowing water, has definitely increased too.
Even before, I had an (apparent) above average focus on sounds and acoustic phenomena, and I feel like this “mindset”, or awareness, has been even more amplified / modified now. I can definitely see how psychedelic experiences has been a source of inspiration for many.
By the following definition, I’d say YES, definitely. DMT is at the absolute peak of psychedelic experiences (judging from my own experiences here, of course). All psychedelics (or really, everything you “put into your body”, including sunlight) alter your brain’s chemistry, to different degrees, and with different (cognitive) results. It’s all electro-chemical reactions, maaan. Hehe.
"The word psychedelic literally means “mind revealing,” which is one way to describe the powerful effects of psychedelic drugs (sometimes also called hallucinogens or entheogens). They cause a profound shift in your sense of self and consciousness.
But so do lots of other drugs, like alcohol, cocaine, and opiates. What makes psychedelics different?
It is “their capacity reliably to induce states of altered perception, thought, and feeling that are not experienced otherwise except in dreams or at times of religious exaltation,” according to a definition, often cited by scientists, from Jerome Jaffe, MD, of the University of Maryland School of Medicine. These states of “religious exaltation” are not limited to traditional religious practice, but may stem from meditation, fasting, deep breathing, and other disciplines. "
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/story/psychedelic-assisted-therapy
It’s visual and auditory (primarily), so it definitely distorts your senses. But more importantly, it redefines what you classify as you, honestly.
Gimme a couple of weeks ill try n sum up a typical tryptamine audio, half agree with para but also its all subjective init, my trips are like 8k raytrace worlds visually but the sound is more physical, like a pleasant headache/brain zap soundscape, crisp is a good word but kind of like a harmonic ground hum. Might have a forest sesh next week so i can get some freh perspective lol
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I feel like this kind of the end goal of music a lot of time, to create some kind of spiritual experience, for lack of a better term. Most of the old composers (as far as I know) were trying to create heavenly experiences with their music. To conjure up God with a piano.
It’s definitely been a goal of mine, honestly. Just kind of rambling lol
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proverbial ‘you’ not you
anyones frame of reference is informed by previous experience
no
im not talking about psyche or psychadelics or sense distortion
with lsd and mushrooms and so on
you experience something that is essentially ‘known’ or somewhat recognizable
i mean we’ve all experienced something that felt like it was completely beyond experience or ‘known’ territory - to an extent during those trips
but mostly it feels or is perceived like distorted or exaggerated (previous) experience
now
what i hear from a lot of people doing dmt is that it’s not ‘known territory’ - they are somewhat informed by something that almost only ‘belongs’ in that short experience - so it takes hold of the senses or the way the mind interprets the senses to a more extreme or ‘unrecognizable’ degree than lsd or other acids
like when you do shrooms and you experience something ‘unknown’ - it still feels natural (or super natural) (which is because of how the brain chemistry and brain reward systems like dopamine etc, work)
with DMT seems ‘it’ to be that you’re in a different realm where you can’t even eat or listen to music or whatever
its that non euclidian morph terrence howard was on about lol
people mention they become math lol
ahh
did you edit it to 'DMT*
i think i read it as LSD first time around?
so you are saying that these bits of art, sort of, to a degree ‘incapsulates’ or ‘manages to describe’ your DMT experience to some degree -
cool cool
i’ve been deep in psytrance and lsd, shrooms etc etc
but from the real deep psytrance dudes i know, they seem to feel DMT is different from sound or psyche stuff (even that shitty art they like lol)
i’m wondering if i’ve confused DMT with some other thing now lol
ffs
The experience of the self, your consciousness. As in, ego, body, mind.
Yes.
Yes.
It was indescribable. Nothing recognizable at all. Total cognitive confusion. Hyperspace is a way to describe it, I guess.
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i feel like thats kind of why i like dubstep. the thoughts and feelings i get while in front of a system in a dark room with a joint in hand almost touch on spiritual. especially on more spaced out tunes
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yeah so different from the psychadelia that is the inspiration behind psyche, kräut and psytrance and somewhat stale art forms and expressions
that was the point to begin with haha
i’m saying what is different from DMT to psyche - as in trying to discern the un-describable
thats what is interesting to me - that you cant describe the experience with the tradition, language and expressions you find in those genres
it might be that that stuff still comes closest, ie psytrance sounddesign, but there’s seems to be a slight disconnect from the ‘cliché of psychadelia’ informing art and music - that one could prod into a bit, fiddle in the DMT hole etc
open the doors brother
shine that fourth eye on me still
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to put it another way
the reason greatful dead or psytrance is popular with certain types (the majority of those types) is the euphoria and the body high and not the spirituality or the ‘insight’ per se
thats harsh but true - thats just how people behave
DMT could point to a new form of inspiration for art, that is abstract and not psyche, psychadelia or fractals and buddhist and hindu spiritual - but like abstract and fuckier