EXACTLY.
a lot of the stuff youâve posted as examples seem to have complexity on the surface but its really just a lot of fairly standard things going on all at once. This isnt a good thing or a bad thing. Complexity doesnt make something good/enjoyable, and vice versa.
Complexity for the sake of complexity though is almost always less effective for conveying an idea in any artform ranging from architecture to dance. Complexity when it suites the nature of the piece though can be very powerful; the same can be said of very very minimal works.
as for your original question, I dont think âcomplextroâ lends itself well to âchillâ music. Its a bit like asking for some laid back Gabber to listen to.
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Pushing a few drums out of time is⌠pushing a few drums out time.
@cyclopian So music being chilled is a fair emotional concept but complexity is not?
but itâs a controlled, and âcomplexâ rhythmâŚ
a bunch of automation going on is really vague and could sound like anything really
Iâll explain what Autechre is doing for your feeble mind. Theyâre not âpushing the drums out of time,â in fact theyâre hardly using MIDI in the way you or I are familiar with. Much of the album that I posted from is created from generative Max/MSP patches that are manipulating the time and tempo independent of a grid. They then record that and automate it later on. They build and create a lot of their own patches to do things I couldnât even imagine. Itâs far more complex than anything you or I could ever hope to do.
My basic point is really that automation doesnât make complexity, the construction of the music itself is what make some type of music complex. In my view.
Are you saying that automation as a whole cant be used for anything controlled and complex?
@Cheyne_Taylor_Bush look pushing some drums out of time is a simple and common musical tool.
Doing what they are doing with Max/MSP is more complicated. Why didnât you mention it before?
Doing one complicated thing is not the same as having nearly every element of the song at the forefront of music production.
no iâm saying that lots of automation does not mean complexity
Then you havnt made any point. You are just stating obios facts that have nothing to do with the conversation.
Like you said yourself automation can be for complex and controlled musical concept.
Why did you write off the song before considering that maybe they created it some other way that you may not be familiar with? Just because the drums arenât noodly and masturbatory?
Production complexity â musical complexity. Thatâs, again, the point Iâve been making this whole time.
Not sure how youâre inferring that from what I said, and I dont even exactly understand what you mean tbh.
Just meant that very maximal music doesnât often find itself being described as âchillâ (I hate the descriptor âchillâ btw)
An analogous example would be, most people find quiet places like the forest or a calm beach to be âchillâ, conversely, most people find an extremely busy city area to not be âchillâ.
I would find it hard to have my ears bombarded with a new sound every 2 seconds and feel âchillâ.
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Then you havnt made any point. You are just stating obios facts that have nothing to do with the conversation.
Like you said yourself automation can be for complex and controlled musical concept.
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I think it can happen, like some of Boxcutter or Squarepusherâs tracks are quite chill (for lack of better term), but have very complicated drum patterns.
Where is the contradiction?
Having lots of automation is complicated
Automation can be used for complex and controlled musical concept.
you guy are ridiculous. All your points are just stupid. 
you said it was the definition, implying lots of automation=complexity, which may or may not be the case
Complexity is generally used to characterize something with many parts where those parts interact with each other in multiple ways
From Google.
So lots of automation would be lots of parts interacting in multiple ways.
yeah, im not saying its truly a binary thing.
Just saying, asking for âchilled complextroâ is a bit of an oxymoron imo. The âgenreâ is built around high energy build ups and a barrage of loud noises
technically complexity doesnât necessarily equal musical complexity
Hey I can google too! See:
From Google.
Yeah, and thatâs exactly why I donât think itâs really âcomplexâ and itâs kind of mis-named. AFAIK it appears as complex as a run-of-the-mill pop song, which to be fair can actually be quite complex, by this guyâs standards.
you guys are doing DSF wrong, youâre not supposed to outright call eachother names. Its more about a long term plan of subversive passive agression from here on out.
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